why won't you just do what i say and achieve some tangible improvement that isn't like, "better logging" or something, before attempting to add the project. if i were to fork freeso, i would not change this wiki until my project were substantially different. no point putting the cart before the horse, especially if i fail or give up. - acc
FFS, I just started again. You have no idea what it feels to constantly be censored like this, let alone feel like you're being stalked, or gonna be humiliated again. If you knew what that felt, maybe you'd understand why my projects have constantly gone into limbo. --Tomas CW (talk) 22:14, 8 September 2017 (EDT)
a simple way to avoid geting chastised for doing stupid things is to: 1. stop doing stupid things, or 2. stop doing stupid things in public. advertising a project that will likely end up dead is a stupid thing, and listing it on this wiki is doing a stupid thing in public. thus to avoid this problem, you should not post your project here until there is a notable amount of work put into it... ie. you have achieved something.
who is everyone? maybe if they achieve something they can post it on this wiki...
i don't see what's worth archiving about this conversation. i'm saying something obvious, you're a brick wall, and we're the only two people who will ever click that archive link. linked from this page itself. which we have already seen. can you please just come back when youmve achieved something?
We're both brick walls. I'm trying to list Siming Online, and you're trying to remove it. Which, let's face it, what you're doing is silly. Because even when you remove my listing, you can't delete my page. So who is the stupid one? --Tomas CW (talk) 22:39, 8 September 2017 (EDT)
you shouldn't have created it in the first place. you haven't achieved anything yet.
And Niotso didn't finish recreating TSO. Sure, they achieved more then me but he didn't finish what he started. Why do you want me to start from scratch? --Tomas CW (talk) 22:44, 8 September 2017 (EDT)
does it take this long for the things i said hours ago to sink in? i think you should leave the site for a few days to let it all sink in. starting from scratch is the best way you can say that something is truly yours, which seems to be what you want more than anything. it doesn't have to be from scratch, it just has to be notable enough that you can say you achieved something.
No. It's not always the best way. There is no right way in programming. If starting from scratch was the best way to do things, then we wouldn't have frameworks. --Tomas CW (talk) 22:52, 8 September 2017 (EDT)
you're misunderstanding what i'm saying, and trying to change the subject. probably deliberately, because you don't want to admit that i'm right. in the realm of games, using another game's code is never considered "starting from scratch". in an unrelated example, writing an emulator with libraries such as opengl, directsound etc would be considered starting from scratch... while forking an existing emulator would not. if all of the logic is the same, isn't it just that same thing again?
either way, you should probably give it a rest now. i promise your project can appear on here unhindered if it achieves something. otherwise, you're wasting the time of anyone reading this wiki.
i mean, that's cute, but i'm not convinced, and i dont imagine anyone else would be. - acc
you're free to make and link a page about blue rose if you want, since people actually used it. i don't think anyone cares that you created a discord, since anyone can do that in 2 clicks. "siming online" (sic) is not notable.
Niotso "didn't finish recreating TSO" but it at least showed progress. You could even fork Niotso and finish off some of the work! Exciting. Not only that, but if you did choose to start from scratch, you would benefit from having more control over what's being done and better knowledge over the code, since you would have written it all yourself - when it comes to larger-scale projects like an MMO, it's extremely useful to be able to know what's going on. - Alex.
you can list it when you've achieved something.
The projects template is getting a little ridiculous... For a start, I'm not sure TSO5 was a project to start with, as all that was produced is a logo... TSOEmu True is apparently a joke, xTSO was created with Windows Forms from badly cut screenshots of the game (TSOEmu True is also like this), and though TSOReborn may have been a part of history (not sure on this) it similarly did not achieve anything.
Sims Ville Roleplay is actually a (well made!) game, but it's not a recreation of The Sims Online, so I'm not sure if it should be mentioned in this template. If we remove TSOEmu True from the list, that leaves the "unknown" category with little reason to exist. As silly as this sounds, how can you say the progress on your own project "unknown"? I would say it's still alive, in some fashion (still doing research).